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  1. A while ago, I had started a movement to try Low Power Folding on ocn. Some people jumped on board, and we found it was helpful to beating the Summer Heat and limiting the power bill costs. Well, some advancements have been made to GPUs since then, so I think it's time to revisit the subject. In the coming weeks, I will be publishing data showing the benefits of low power folding and the detriments. For a general and immediate understanding of how this works, I'm going to use examples of mining on a GPU because you see instant measurable results. One thing to keep in mind is mining stresses memory and folding stresses core. They're completely different animals, but the process is the same with lowering the power limit. But, for now, mining will be the example used and in the coming weeks, folding will be added. Our test GPU will be a beautiful EVGA 3080ti FTW3 Ultra Hydrocopper. All you really need to do is install your favorite overclocking utility such as Afterburner or Precision. The screen you see below is Precision X1. I use it because of how many EVGA GPUs I have, and the RGB is controlled within the program. If you want to run stock clocks, then all you need to do is push the power slider down, or type in the % of the power limit you want to use. This works differently on each GPU. Just because 1 3080ti works best at a hypothetical number of 75% doesn't mean another will be optimal at the same limit. You have to test your card individually. If you're overclocking, you can still benefit from doing so even at a lower power limit. So, I suggest you test to find your stable oc at full power, or even over the power limit of 100%, and then move the power limit down gradually to test. You can also reduce the memory clock with folding kinda the opposite way some people do on RTX cards with the core clock for mining. Doing so can lower the stress on the non-critical component (folding - memory / mining - core clock). The quick example for today of doing this with mining is to mine Autolykos (Ergo) since an 80ti has LHR (Limited Has Rate). For mining, I'm overclocking the memory speed. For folding, you overclock the core speed. I currently run a memory overclock of +1370 MHz for mining Autolykos. At 100% power, the GPU consumes 331 watts and produces a steady hashrate of 266 MH/s. If I reduce the core clock by 150 MHz, the power draw decreases to 314 watts, but the hash rate climbs to 271 MH/s. This is a result of lowering the stress on the core, improving temps, and efficiency. I can easily display all of this data on 1 screen for mining within seconds, so that's why I wanted to do this right now with mining. The goal in mining is to lower the power limit slowly until you see the hash rate being affected. Sometimes, the production increases due to lower temps, or it can decrease the hash rate drastically. Either way, reducing the power limit reduces the amount of power you use. The Eff/Watt measurement helps miners see if the decrease results in more earnings or not. It helps figure out the balance between the 2 and which is better. I've already tested this GPU to find it's sweet spot. It's most efficient at 75%. If I go 1% less, the hash rate drops drastically to the 150 MH/s range and bounces around. But, at 75%, I lose nothing and gain my wasted power cost back. This is what I am going to test for on folding in the coming weeks. How much PPD do you lose? Where's the sweet spot, etc. As you can see here, I'm now using 298 watts and getting 272 MH/s. So, how will the results look for folding? Folding uses a ton more power than mining. The wattage decrease will be far more drastic, but all of those details will be provided in the coming weeks. I already know my overclock potential on this card. I can run +180 to the core, +100mv, and at 113% power. I ran those clocks on it for the 2 day foldathon which is monitored by HFM. The results for the work it did are below, and this will be compared to the power limit reductions to see what we're gaining/losing. I will have to re-measure the power draw though with this overclock, and will be updating this thread as I go. Alright, so here's where we are on the power draw running folding with the OC used to obtain the above PPD. The actual clock speed is 2160 MHz. It fluctuates between 401 and 404 watts. I'm folding right now. I will begin to adjust the power in 5% increments at first just to see if I notice a significant drop in TPF, and then gauge from there where the sweet spot might be. Folding might be a bit of a challenge, but I think the key here is this card s not a display GPU, so I shouldn't see usage spikes up/down. 95% p18004 p17804 p17713 - Core jumped around on this project. GPU-Z says PerfCap Reason Pwr. p18202 - Core jumping, pwr (CJP) p18005 p17804 p13456 90% 85% 80% 75% 70% 65% 60% 55% 50% p13456 CJP
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  2. Vast.ai is the cheapest I've found. Individuals (or companies) will offer their GPUs to be rented out. Pricing varies somewhat based on who owns the hardware and what hardware you are renting. For the 4x3090 system that I mentioned, it was $2/hr. I plan to make a post in the next few weeks with more details on how to get a Vast.ai instance folding and monitored by HFM. It's not cheap for long term folding, but is quite handy at defeating @BWG and @Bastiaan_NL during the 2 days of the competition
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  3. If I get 2 for this post, I'll have a ratio over 1.0. Then I'll never need to post again. All done. From now on, all my replies will be edits in this post to preserve my status.
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  4. It does help that one of them offers money to beat the other Besides that, I've given up anyways cause it's impossible to beat @BWG straight up.
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  5. A Corsair Obsidian 1000D is on its way to me, the Fractal Design 7XL is not big enough for what I want. A few members had some advice on other big cases, but the square boxes are too wide to fit where I want the system to be. @BWG Ordered an EVGA 3090 NVlink bridge for me, I can't get that one over here. (And guess what that means.. ) Against all advice from @J7SC_Orion and all the recent complaints about issues with their blocks I was desperate enough to order a pair of EKWB Quantum FTW3 blocks and pre-ordered the active backplates. I really hope I'm lucky, fingers crossed..
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  6. What are you saying? Do you need one of those disks with 20 free hours of AOL?
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  7. @firedfly this has now been resolved
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  8. Dell won't ship energy-hungry PCs to California and five other US states due to power regulations • The Register WWW.THEREGISTER.COM Energy efficiency rules appears to be limiting the availability of gaming rigs I'm not really sure if this is news or not because the information and regulations mentioned is not new, but Dell's reaction might be. IMO it seems like Dell has a misunderstanding of the regulation and they could ship these PCs if they wanted to. Perhaps they're trying to make a political statement. In any case, it's an interesting topic. The idea that by 2040 computers will use more energy than the human race generates if nothing changes is definitely discussion worthy.
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  9. Are you trying to beat @J7SC_Orion with the most fans of a single type/brand? That looks really good, can't wait to see the finished product!
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  10. @Avacadohas a DeLorean!
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  11. Hello all, Some of you will have received a notification that your PayPal subscription to our Premium Accounts was cancelled. Just to be clear, this does not render your premium status inactive, it just means the automatic renewal for when the subscription term ends has been stopped. This was required due to an alteration our end, unfortunately once a PayPal agreement is setup, it cannot be modified, only cancelled. So, if you wish to continue premium after your term ends, you will simply need to renew it and re-setup automatic renewal if you wish. Thanks all, E
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  12. I'll nickel plate it after I've drilled the screw holes and prepped the surface. Ordered:
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  13. I think @BWG is currently folding on as many GPU's as I've owned in my entire life. I just counted, I've owned 13 GPU's starting with the Sierra Screamin 3D that I bought the week it launched in 1996.
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  14. Most of my gear that runs 24/7 is water-cooled. As long as you follow some best practices like EPDM tubing, distilled+Mayhems biocide and inhibitor, dual pumps in serial, there is not really anything to worry about or any additional maintenance. I haven't touched my workstation in 16 months other than to top off the fluid one time, and it runs 24/7 @ about 1900-2000W.
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  15. Truth. Leave it up to BWG to turn a competition into making everyone feel like they are going for scratch & sniff stickers at the bottom of a pool.
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  16. Latest stats, sorry I can't do more atm.
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  17. So great news. My ISP doesn't allow for port forwarding. So I spent all day configuring stuff for no good reason! Gonna call them on Monday, see if I can get a static IP address which should help, but just another delay.
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  18. Sorry BWG, I’ve been crazy busy this week. My 3080ti is MSI and all the rest are EVGA. 3 rigs with 3 available GPU slots (Maybe) but these new cards would need to be water cooled as the air cooled ones don’t leave enough space to breathe. Yeah my folding numbers are down for sure! Hey I’m running in 4th place so far!
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  19. Sorry for the double. I posted about this in the Foldaholics thread last month, but then forgot all about it when I fired up some additional GPUs for this months race. This probably won't apply to too many people, but if you are running AMD GPUs in Linux with ROCm, do not update to ROCm 4.2 if you are folding. There is a pretty massive regression (-50% or more) on most WUs. Right now I'm running an older closed source driver, but I am going to so some testing with ROCm 4.0 which had really good performance on [email protected] when it was released. **Edit** I'm now back on ROCm 4.0, and the performance is great. OpenCl via ROCm 4.0 does not have the performance regression that I saw with ROCm 4.2. ROCm OpenCl 4.0 is about 8% better than the old closed source driver on the WUs that I am currently running (p18108).
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  20. It must be cold in Russia this time of year. I rented a 4x3090 system in Russia and the GPUs have stayed about 55C the whole time!
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  21. @tictoc I'm trying to make good on my promise...
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  22. Thanks. I didn't see the count down. I won't be putting up a ton of points, but I'll get some things folding.
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  23. My apologies for double posting, but this is going to be a very long one....... Here's the progress of where I'm at so far, hardware wise. Please excuse the bed, my bedroom is the only place I have available to store all this stuff. Wasn't trying to bring you guys into my room...... Also, I went ahead and ran some games and benches on the Phenomenon. Ryzen 2600 Rig (done short GPU): FX 8350 Rig (done / GPU due this week): Now, onto the shelved goodies (very long spoiler): And now onto what we're here for....GAMES AND BENCHMARKS!!! We'll go ahead and start off with more pictures though, because well....I took a lot for you guys. LADIES AND GENTS, I PRESENT PHENOMENON!: Games and benchmarks on Phenomenon: There's so very many games that even this old Phenom rig can play its ridiculous. Again, i'd have tried something more "modern" like Cyberpunk or RDR2, but both of those complain about one thing or another and really aren't worth messing around with trying to force them to work. I have newer rigs that play those games fine. Phenomenon, is a 110% success in my eyes. It plays more games that it could've ever dreamed of when these parts were new what nearly 12 years ago? 13? It offers playable performance, so long as you're aware of the limitations of the CPU and GPU. Yes, I am a gamer that is perfectly fine at 30 FPS so long as it NEVER DIPS below 30. Competitive games like Killing Floor and COD, yeah definitely want to be closer to that 60 mark. Every title played (just about) could be ran at 60 FPS no problem with different settings, I just prefer visuals over framerate usually. And it has a ZIP drive and Windows 10 on it (for now), so I can get the other even older rigs working later on. Totally a win!
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  24. ...I slowed down ...got counselling ...only have 48 of what you speaketh of
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  25. I spoke with @BWG this morning. He has me slated to replace @Avacado --at least for August.
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  26. Fans for gpu bench and a few other things.
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  27. And now it's all blue. I'm going to order some fans now. I don't run it on fah a lot, but I try to fire it up weekly, or at least the good ppd stuff.
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  28. Couple things done to this in order to manage the cables a bit better, but there's still some things I'm wanting to do to it before I call it finalized.
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  29. We just need to find some friendly chinese miner that cant mine anymore and ask them to help us out! Easier said than done but imagine folding for a week with 1000 3090
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  30. Testing has begun on the Rig Creator, looking good so far. On the first round I have made a fair few correction, which is kind of a good thing as it helps you re-evaluate certain things after you put theory into practise. All things considered, and if all goes well. I hope to have it launched by the end of next week. Even after release there may be some finer tuning and alterations, but everything is a work in progress lets face it haha. After this...Embed features.
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  31. Using magnets is a great idea. But maybe instead of using plastic to hold the magnet you could plastic weld in some high nuts and use a little bolt with the nut on the end to adjust it. The best plastic welding is actually melting a bit of the original plastic while applying the new material. Maybe even heating up more than just the part you are welding to help the proces a bit.
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  32. Not really my thing. No one will ever be able to to do it like you.
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  33. @Bastiaan_NL I am willing to create a monthly fund towards beating @BWG. Fired can run it, if we get a few participants, it won't be that much. We'll call it "Beating BWG's home"
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  34. It is a monitor. So in nutshell I can technically have all in one computer now. Haha. Just will use for aida64 or something similar Barrowch external expansion display screen FBEHD-01_BARROW 水冷智造专家 WWW.BARROWINT.COM
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  35. It pains me to know you are using a commander pro. I burned out 3 of those suckers. Next build please go Octo or Quadro. Looking great! I hope you made a sacrifice to kevdog.
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  36. Honestly, I kinda owe it to @firedflybecause he tipped me off to the right enthusiast board to support 6 full speed pci-e slots all at 4.0 for the future. Going to just keep going. I have 2 more 3080tis under a minute in queue along with a 3090 and a couple 3070tis. 1 more gpu needed, and then every one after that replaces an old card.
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  37. @BWG Those 3 hour updates are re-tarded good. You have done a great job getting a serious folding lab going. Me and Bastiaan used to dream of 5 million updates.
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  38. Yes I can replicate this. I will get it changed so it can be blank
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  39. There will be a space to summarize and expand on your gear details for sure. I didn't forget about people's beloved audio haha.
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  40. Yeah, your going to get me on the next update.
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  41. Speaking of cooler heads, while I'm waiting on the micrometer to show up, I've roughed out the copper backplate I'll have cut for the KPE 3090. I'll drill the screw holes myself (reflected in yellow) on the drill press, but all the other cutouts will be done by my water jet guy: The nice thing about doing this is now I'll be able to fasten anything I want to the backplate using countersunk holes on the inside of the plate. It'll make for a much tighter fit thermal-wise, and I won't have to drill any holes in the oem backplate.
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  42. I don't know man, that @damricguys feeding his GPU ln2 24/7. Pretty certain Captain
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  43. Starts in a little under 3 hours. This link (from the OP) looks correct for the countdown: https://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/launch?iso=20210721T21&p0=5527&msg=July+EHW+Foldathon&font=sanserif&csz=1 I can see the confusion on when the comp starts. I want to blame @BWG, but he'd remind me that it's Canada's fault!
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  44. I had 4 or 5 different ones. Currently using the PXC 550, man I love that thing
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  45. Copy the link and paste it in a new window. Remove the "&type=score" and you have a link for your points. Just like this one, but add your user number: https://apps.foldingathome.org/awards?user=
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  46. They are great for the price and what logitech or razer has to offer. also I got one of the upgrades for my build, AIO for pc???
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  47. Just realized that if I swap the switch and the patch panel in the rack, I can keep the wires from crossing and not have to label the patch panel 2,1,4,3,6,5... Now we have achieved maximum OCD relief.
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